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12/13/2006 Entry: "vegetarianism"

It was bound to happen... I'm going to get back on my soap box tonight to vent some frustration. At some point I need to talk about how being anti-death penalty and pro-choice is NOT a contradiction providing you share the world view that I have. That, however, will take awhile since I'd need to first explain my particular secular moral theory. Another topic that has been bugging me lately is how many intelligent people are anti-GMO because they've been lied to or happen to be ignorant about science. HOWEVER, that is not tonight's topic. Tonights topic is... :

VEGETARIANISM!!!

Why am I writing about this? It's not because I don't like vegetarians. I'm fine with them. Want to be vegetarian? Go for it, I don't care. What I have issue with is some of the BULLSHIT that hear coming out of SOME vegetarian's mouths at my restaurant. I'm fucking sick of it so I'm going to address it here.

Myth #1: Vegetarianism is healthier.
I wish that me simply saying "I know more about biology and science than you, take my word for it," would work here, but sadly it doesn't. However, the Burden of Proof for this claim lies solely on vegetarians. Why? Because we evolved to eat meat. We are OMNIVORES! If you believe in evolution, that you should understand why claiming vegetarianism is healthier is ridiculous UNLESS you can provide substantial evidence to prove the contrary.

So what is "substantial evidence?" That would be a study where there is NO OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATION than that eating no meat is healthiest. A quick google search says there are about the same number of studies that claim vegetarianism healthier as there are studies claiming that that is a myth. So, find me a study where the science is sound and neither one of these possible other explanations could apply:

1) Vegetarians are healthier because they are forced to watch their diet. Of course they are healthier than the standard meat eating McDonalds customer. Anyone who watches their diet that closely will be healthy.

2) Many meat eaters eat meat in excess. Of course vegetarians are healthier, eating anything in excess is bad for you. Most of those studies simply prove that eating no meat or moderate amounts of meat is better than over-indulging in it. (I know I eat more than I should, but like the taste so it's a fair trade for me.)

Myth #2: It's better for the human race to not eat meat because you can grow more food per acre of crops than you can meat.

Well, you're right, you can. Big whoop, doesn't matter. We can already grow more corn etc than we know what to do with. We have tons of high yield crops as it is. It's screwing the price up. Right now the market is so oversaturated that tons of farmers are in financial trouble. We don't NEED to grow more crops, in fact we'd be better off growing less.

What's that you say? We could stop world hunger? BULLSHIT. We could feed most of the 3rd world with the crops we can produce now, but that's irrelevant because the reason we won't feed the 3rd world is for economic and political reasons. You can stop all livestock productions and grow crops on 99% of the USA and there wouldn't be ONE MORE OUNCE of food getting to those people. Wake up. If you want to solve world hunger fix the politics and economics first.

Myth #3: Eating meat is cruel.

Why does a tiger have the right to eat a gazelle but I don't have the right to eat a cow? We're both animals, right? The cow is better off anyway because it's not being torn open by a tiger, it's being shot or clubbed in the head. If you stress out an animal too much before you kill it the meat gets crappy, so it's in the slaughterer's best interest not to torture the animal first.

Don't get me wrong, some animals are slaughtered in awful ghastly ways. The solution to this is to regulate how livestock is slaughtered instead of giving up meat entirely. Over-react much? If you want to stop cruel animal slaughter work to get laws that change the practice. You're not going to get anywhere trying to stop the world from eating meat.

I have no problem killing an animal to eat it. I don't like hunters that don't eat their kills, that I believe is wrong. But killing to eat it? Nothing wrong with that, it's natural. Letting someone else kills that animal that I'm going to eat? I see nothing wrong with that.

BTW, if cruelty to animals is why you are vegetarian than you should probably switch to vegan if you don't want to be a hypocrite. You may also want to buy new shoes, etc.

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Alright, I'm done. In conclusion, you can eat meat and still be just as healthy as any vegan or vegetarian as long as you pay as close attention to your diet at they do. In fact, you'd probably be healthier than them. Humans are NOT god damn herbivores. You have canine teeth, USE THEM.

As I've said before I don't have a problem with MOST vegetarians. I try not to argue with them unless they start it. (the one exception being when I crashed Katie's LJ with unsolicited meat eating propaganda the other day, but that was be a side effect of that day at work and she was an unfortunate victim. I regret doing that, because me doing that is precisely the type of thing I'm complaining about here) I just can't stand it when I'm serving them their damn soyrizzo and they start spouting off about how much better and healthier they are cause they don't eat meat.

Speaking of soyrizzo, I hate it when vegetarians get special treatment. It's takes 5-10 minutes to make them their damn soyrizzo. It fucks the hell out of our bar rush and is a pain in the ass. Yet, we can't charge them extra for some reason. BULLSHIT! SURCHARGE! If I pick a lifestyle where I want all my food dyed blue, and I go into a restaurant and request that they dye all my food blue for me, THEY'D FUCKING CHARGE ME EXTRA! How is this any different?

One of my worries about moving to Eugene is that I don't want to be acosted by "bad hippie logic." I don't want to be attacked by anti-meat and anti-GMO everywhere I go. It's why I'm thinking of abandoning the Green party. Not liking GMO because you don't understand the science is JUST as bad as Reverend Bush being against stem cells. It's knee-jerk bullshit by undeducated people who are afraid of science and think that scientist are evil and have no ethics. I want to start the "Scientists know best" political party to fight this crap. It's what the Left and the Right have most in common - an irrational fear and misunderstanding of reality and science.

Feel free to debate any of this stuff in the comments. Contrary opinions are welcome.

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One thing that gets my goat is when people feed their carnivore pets (cats, for example) vegetarian diets. Grr! Don't force your moral values on your pet's well-being! Roar!

Posted by Qehn @ 03/24/2006 03:57 AM PST

In order to cut back my fat intake, I've been cooking very low fat dinners. So no red meat. But because we have children who have dietary needs more important than mine, we are very careful about it. We eat a lot of fish and beans for protein, plus our normal fruits & veggies. For breakfast and lunch, they eat high-fat stuff like oatmeal, bagels with cream cheese, mac n cheese, pizza, etc. I eat cereal for those meals, so that works out nicely. But my low-fat needs are not the needs of all people, and besides, I am not sure that all vegetarians watch their diets closely enough to ensure they get all their protein and stuff. We have no objection to meat here, we sometimes have chicken, and the kids sometimes eat burgers, too. But we are very, very careful to watch what they are eating just cause we've gone off red meat at dinner.
I'm too much of a biologist to be a vegetarian. And I will not allow my children to be complete vegetarians because it's bad for them!!

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