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12/14/2002 Entry: "Anarchy" Anarchy (finally) This rant (which looks longer than it is) is for Bree, whom I miss a lot, wish did less drugs, and surprised me greatly when I heard she had become an Anarchist. There are many ways to refute anarchy depending on the definition that you use. I'll try to be as clear and organized as possible, but if I get off on a tangent please bare with me. First off I should define what I am seeing as Anarchy, lest I misrepresent your philosophy and waste our time. There are different types, as I see it, and I'm not sure which ones you fully believe. From what I see there is personal and societal anarchy. Personal being a belief system where you follow no rules, do whatever you want to do, either for good or bad. Societal anarchy is a "society" made up of people not governed by rules, and who may or may not have personal rules and morals. True personal Anarchy is fairly moot, because it is rare. It is also not necessarily bad. Mainly, because it varies as much among people as personalities do. A nice person who has a personal anarchist philosophy will generally do nice things, and a mean person do mean things. However, I would be very wary of trusting a personal anarchist because for them to want to follow a set of rules in which there are NO rules there has to be some aspect of their personality which desires to not be held accountable, to not have to be consistent, and to be, in affect, blameless in whatever they do because "Hey, it's not against MY rules." I should mention that a personal anarchist CANNOT have a set of morals either. Personal morality, by definition, is a set of rules by which one attempts to act goodly. If you have no rules, you have no morals. You would also have no guilt. For reasons such as this I also think that TRUE personal anarchy is very rare. Most everyone has personal rules of some sort. Therefor personal anarchy, while needing to be defined and separated from societal, is mostly inconsequential. Societal anarchy has more concrete problems. I'll start by describing the death of scientific progress, art, higher education, and health care. For most people doing the work for higher learning demands some sort of incentive. Look around at your college "peers." How many of them are in school for the purpose of getting a high paying job instead of in school to "save the world" or for the pure sake of learning. The majority are here for their own personal gain. In an anarchist society there is no incentive. Coorperations have rules, so they wouldn't exist. Jobs have rules, so they wouldn't exist. People would do what they needed to do to survive, and that is all. You don't need to learn about particle physics to survive. You don't need space travel. You don't need art. Poof! Those things are obsolete. Even if someone wanted to learn those things, who would teach them? Why become a teacher in the first place? Money? Goods? Barter? That doesn't sound like anarchy to me, that sounds like society. A barter system can't exist in anarchy. Why would I pay for something when I could just kill it and take it? Health care, being a function of higher education, would also not exist. I would have died at birth (I was six weeks premature). If my Mom had survived that she would be dead now from her illnesses. My sister would have died when she was around 16 from endometriosis. But hey, maybe this is good? Lets get back to some good 'ol evolution, right? It'd be good for the species, right? Fine, if you want plagues to come back, HIV to ravage the earth, and pretty much resort to being primitive again, go for it. My second point, which I already touched on, is that Anarchy is inherently unstable and could not exist. Even if we could bring about an anarchist society now, it would be incredibly unstable and be gone within a manner of years. The most likely outcome would be the reformation of fuedal systems and dictatorships, if any of us survived the resulting wars and famine. For example, lets say we have anarchy and I want some cow milk. Well, damn, I don't have any cows. George over there has cows. So, I trade him some monkeys or something for some milk. Life is good. Now, Stan, he wants milk too, but doesn't want to trade for it. So, he kills George, takes his milk, and says if anyone doesn't like it, he'll kill them too. Stan, unfortunately, has friends. His friends like to kill people too. Stan also likes power, so he raises the price of milk and puts us all in debt. We whine and bitch and say "but, in anarchy, there is no rules or debt" and Stan then says, "Shutup or I'll kill you." People are inherently power hungry and violent. It only takes one Stan to ruin anarchy on a small level. Soon, Stan and his army will get killed by a bigger army. Then an even bigger army will take over that. Boom, a small nation has popped up. The Anarchists are running like flies because they can't do shit about it without making a society and army of their own. Anarchy is self defeating. It's been proven, many times, that bad people will take control. I'll give you one more example, this one at a much smaller level. Lets take the example of on the bus after you were arrested, Bree, when people were passing food mouth to mouth, etc. That was kind of anarchist, right? No, that was communal. For instance, what would have happened if everyone had skipped you, if everyone ate but you. What would you have done? This brings up the subject of rights. What rights do you have in an anarchist society? Simply, you have the right to do anything and have anything, and so does everyone else. So, effectively, when other people are concerned, you have absolutely no rights at all. So, if they skip you with the food, you have the right to complain. They have the right to say "fuck off, starve and die." You then, have the right to kill them. Yes, they also have the right to live, but you have the right to take any of their rights away. Or, lets say a third party steps in, and says "Give her food or I'll beat you up." So, they give you food. Suddenly, there is an unspoken rule. "If you skip people, you will get beat up by this third person." Anarchy no longer exists. For the sake of the little person, it's neccisary for some form of government to exist to ensure certain rights. Which form is up for debate, but government NEEDS to exist. Wether it be in a hippie commune, or a whole nation. There are still rules. Much NEEDED rules. So, I've made the points that Anarchy is detrimental to learning and our species due to lack of incentive to help "society" and to learn. I've also made the point that anarchy can not exist and will collapse in on itself. These are both very concrete points. So, I'm wondering, if maybe you have another version of anarchy not represented here? Something that is closer to socialism than anarchy maybe? Otherwise, I don't understand how you can believe in it or fight for it.
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And I don't have time to argue now, by any means. But the mistake everyone is making is that rules/systems cannot exist within anarchy. The rules and systems are reached by agreement, not imposed upon people through a hierarchy. An anarchist isn't "not allowed" to have morals because that will make them not an anarchist. They just don't believe a government should be allowed to enforce someone else's morals as law. I'll be back later... Posted by Bree the long missing @ 11/21/2002 02:38 AM PST just to make your WHOLE FUCKING POINT much smaller, here is a good summartion. Anarchy can only exist for a very short period of time. Some one will notice that it is in their best interests for survival(self preservation instinct anyone?) and will either align with others or kill everyone. there a nice simple summary. anarhcy is stupid. there are also TONS of modern philosophyical "critical" doctrines that eventually degrade into anarchy by saying that this system is flawed, i won't make a system because i was educated in a flawed system and my system will also have flaws.any system you can propose will have flaws, not system (of government/religion/morals etc) can be free from acute flaws. most of these doctrines are bullshit but enough are taken seriously as to make anarchy(if taken only as a rejection of all social systems) a pseudo-viable philosophical viewpoint. albeit i foolish one that has no real grounds, and is more annoying than anything but one that has plenty of company. holy shit that was long. Posted by mark @ 11/05/2002 11:09 PM PST Wow, you rule Seager. Posted by Winter @ 11/05/2002 12:48 PM PST Yay! 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